Gun Law's

[vmjtc3]

Does anyone know the batf rules for a pistol lower. I get conflicting ideal's by reading up on it. Specificly is it legal to put a standard 16" upper on a pistol lower with an adjustable rear stock. I hear you can use the loger upper but you cant use a verticle forestock or a buttststock of any kind. If it is a pistol only lower. Is it tru that a buttstock on a pistol lower turns it in to a sbr in the eye's of the batf? Even if it is a legal 16" plus barrel. Basicly I want to get a pistol lower use a pistol upper on it. Or use my 20" hb target upper with a buttstock and a verticle forestock with a built in bi-pod. Would this be a legal setup in all of its form's?

Thank's, John C

[panic button]

The lower must be registered as a pistol lower from Manufacturer, 4473 and the dealers book. Â* Plan on paying 2-3X the price of a rifle lower. Â*If it is registered as a pistol, and you put a butt stock on it you now have made SBR and you have broke federal law. Â*Also if you have a butt stock for an AR and not on the weapon, you can get busted for attempt at a SBR. You CANNOT switch uppers legally from 16"> with butt stock to non buttstock, pistol barrel!

[vmjtc3]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (panic button @ Oct. 30 2006,05:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The lower must be registered as a pistol lower from Manufacturer, 4473 and the dealers book. Â* Plan on paying 2-3X the price of a rifle lower. Â*If it is registered as a pistol, and you put a butt stock on it you now have made SBR and you have broke federal law. Â*Also if you have a butt stock for an AR and not on the weapon, you can get busted for attempt at a SBR. Â*You CANNOT switch uppers legally from 16&quot;&gt; with butt stock to non buttstock, pistol barrel![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I know about it having to be a pistol lower from the manuf. I was thinking that if you use a pistol lower but have a full length upper if it has a buttstock it is not a sbr as it has a full upper. Just wondering. So if you have a pistol and a full length ar you are ok as long as you have both of them complete? Thanks Pb

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (vmjtc3 @ Oct. 30 2006,17:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (panic button @ Oct. 30 2006,05:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The lower must be registered as a pistol lower from Manufacturer, 4473 and the dealers book. Â* Plan on paying 2-3X the price of a rifle lower. Â*If it is registered as a pistol, and you put a butt stock on it you now have made SBR and you have broke federal law. Â*Also if you have a butt stock for an AR and not on the weapon, you can get busted for attempt at a SBR. Â*You CANNOT switch uppers legally from 16&quot;&gt; with butt stock to non buttstock, pistol barrel![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I know about it having to be a pistol lower from the manuf. I was thinking that if you use a pistol lower but have a full length upper if it has a buttstock it is not a sbr as it has a full upper. Â*Just wondering. So if you have a pistol and a full length ar you are ok as long as you have both of them complete? Â* Â* Thanks Pb[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
As long as the upper barrel, BARREL is over 16&quot;, flash hiders do not count unless they are permently welded to the barrel for length. With 16&quot;&gt; barrel length you can add butt stock, but DO NOT get caught with a pistol barrel and a butt stock (even off the weapon and in the same house), ATF consters this &quot;intent&quot; to make a SBR! I've been an FFL for over 14 years, and it's put out just about every year by ATF about SBR Pistol AR's.

[vmjtc3]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (panic button @ Oct. 30 2006,18:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (vmjtc3 @ Oct. 30 2006,17:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The lower must be registered as a pistol lower from Manufacturer, 4473 and the dealers book. Â* Plan on paying 2-3X the price of a rifle lower. Â*If it is registered as a pistol, and you put a butt stock on it you now have made SBR and you have broke federal law. Â*Also if you have a butt stock for an AR and not on the weapon, you can get busted for attempt at a SBR. Â*You CANNOT switch uppers legally from 16&quot;&gt; with butt stock to non buttstock, pistol barrel!<span id='postcolor'>
I know about it having to be a pistol lower from the manuf. I was thinking that if you use a pistol lower but have a full length upper if it has a buttstock it is not a sbr as it has a full upper. Â*Just wondering. So if you have a pistol and a full length ar you are ok as long as you have both of them complete? Â* Â* Thanks Pb[/quote]
As long as the upper barrel, BARREL is over 16&quot;, flash hiders do not count unless they are permently welded to the barrel for length. With 16&quot;&gt; barrel length you can add butt stock, but DO NOT get caught with a pistol barrel and a butt stock (even off the weapon and in the same house), ATF consters this &quot;intent&quot; to make a SBR! Â*I've been an FFL for over 14 years, and it's put out just about every year by ATF about SBR Pistol AR's.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well I guess I dont want to do it that way then. I just thought it would be easier to have one lower and two uppers. I guess I will just get a pistol and call it good I already have a 20 hb dpms left hand upper and a lwc lower. Thanks for the help P.B. John C