Noise Cops on Powell??

[DeepVee]

Has anyone here ever been hassled for noise on Powell?

I'm considering replacing my baffled Corsa tips with non-baffled internal flapper tips.

In 5-years I've never been stopped, 350 w/straight pipes & HP500 w/baffled tips, but I've heard a few stories. Seems like most of the stories are from people further up north around Bullfrog and Halls. The worst story I've heard is irt the fact that switchable exhaust is illegal in Utah and that they will give you a ticket just for having the switch.

[DEEZ NUTTS]

It was bad when the Castle rock cut was narrow and wakeless. Â* Â*They would pull you outa the heard as you passed. Â* Â* Â*

A friend with a scarab with 502mpi and standard through hull was stopped twice that summer. Â* Â*Passed both times.

I was never stopped with the Â*blower motor sticking out and that boat was loud even with mufflers. Â* Â* Â* Nobody had mufflers a few years ago and you could see mine a mile away.
I Â*feel they cut me slack as I was at least trying.

have not heard of any tests since.

[vmjtc3]

Will they give you a ticket for switchable exhaust even if your boat has a nevada registration. I cant belive they expect you to change your whole system just to visit the lake for a weekend or a few days . http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/brutal.gif

[mardonzi]

I have never run into anyone doing noise checks here on Powell,, and believe me,, there are some that could probably use it. We can hear the big boys running uplake through the main channel and I'm sure none of them have ever been stopped.

[digginfordollars]

The only trouble I had with noise on Powell was one night I was sleeping and some drunk next to me was yelling "Would you bitches shut the f*^k up?!!! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rollinglaugh.gif

[Rude]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (digginfordollars @ Mar. 08 2006, 9:51 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Would you bitches shut the f*^k up?!!! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rollinglaugh.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
that's some funny $@&% right there!!!

[Red Horse]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (digginfordollars @ Mar. 08 2006, 9:51 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only trouble I had with noise on Powell was one night I was sleeping and some drunk next to me was yelling "Would you bitches shut the f*^k up?!!! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rollinglaugh.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Was that the Paris and Nicole Chronicals wasnt it??

I heard about that from a certain persom that liesks titiems and had a Nordic boat. yeah, I hnave neef drininkin!!! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/drinkers.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/drinkers.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/drinkers.gif

[Tub of Fun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Will they give you a ticket for switchable exhaust even if your boat has a nevada registration.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

They are actually illegal in Nevada as well. They are considered "cutouts" and it says "cutouts are illegal" They are not going to pull you over to check this, and it is actually not a big deal, but if they want to use it, then they can.

from the NDOW website
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">NRS 488.195 Muffling devices.

1. The exhaust of every internal combustion engine used on any motorboat must be effectively muffled by equipment so constructed and used as to muffle the noise of the exhaust in a reasonable manner.

2. The use of cutouts is prohibited.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Brian's Donzi has switchables; maybe he can chime in on this... I don't see how they can write you a ticket if your boat is registered in another state. It's like have UT plates on your truck and going to IL and not having a fire extinguisher in it. IL registered trucks are required, but you are not...

[DeepVee]

There was a guy on WaynesWords a while back complaining about getting a ticket for switchable exhaust on Powell. I believe he was not a Utah resident and his boat was registered in another state. Sounded like the boat cop was just being a jerk, but who knows may be more to the story. Brian's boat isn't too bad, but I remember the Scarab Deez is talking about being pretty raspy. My biggest complaints with my Corsa cans are that they're huge and always look like crap due to the hard water on Powell. The external flappers also splash water back up on the transom and hard water stain the back of the boat. I'd prefer a set of stubby 4" straight tips.

Deez, who was pulling people out in the cut, National Parks or state cops?

[DeepVee]

Here's the post I was talking about, Oct 2005.

Utah Switchable exhaust ticket (http://www.wayneswords.com/cgi-bin/wayne.pl?read=93368)

About half way thorugh the guy states this,

"... In my case I was in a cove beached all day. When we were leaving I asked my BIL to turn on the blower. Well, he hit a lot of switches including the silent choice. When I started the boat, I immediately turned the silent choice off. It was 2 families, mine and my sisters, small kids, tubing day, etc... The ranger pulled me over and asked if I had a switch. He gave me a ticket for that, nothing else, not sound level, nothing. I told him I turned it right off after I knew it was on, he made it clear that I was getting the ticket for just "having the switch" on the boat. He did not do a safety inspection or anything.

I should say that I have been boating for over 10 years and at Lake Powell every year. I have NEVER been even pulled over for anything at LP or any lake. We go out family boating. On that day, I was pulled over 2 times, the first was a safety inspection and the second was because I have a SWITCH.

I can only guess that Utah is trying to make some extra $$$, unfortunately it is a short term gain, as I normally spend a LOT of $$$ there each trip up, but I will no longer do that."

Here's the law.

R651-222-5. Muffler Bypass or Alteration Prohibited.
(1) No person shall operate or give permission for the operation of any motorboat upon
the waters of this state that is equipped with an altered muffler, muffler cutout, muffler bypass,
or other device designed or installed so that it can be used to continually or intermittently
bypass; or reduce or eliminate the effectiveness of any muffler or muffler system installed on a
motorboat.

Also this.

R651-222-1. Mufflers Required.
Every motorboat operated upon the waters of this State shall at all time be equipped
with a muffler or a muffler system in good working order and in constant operation and
effectively installed to prevent any excessive or unusual noise.

I don't know, at least now I can claim the switch does not disable or bypass the muffler system since its muffled in either position, or I could just run from-em. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumb.gif

[briangmr]

I've got the switch, but not the internal baffling to operate Silent Choice. Exhaust is always running out through the transom. Rangers at Mead didn't ask me to fire her up, but she's not too loud anyway. I'd be one PO'd guy for getting a ticket for something that's stock on a mass produced boat, particularly if the switch does nothing!

F$@%k the man! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/brutal.gif

[mardonzi]

I'd be curious to find out if yoiu could get away with just placarding the switch as disabled? Or inoperable? Guess I'll have to ge out and test these guys if the weather will ever warm up! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

[briangmr]

BTW, are these fix-it tickets or punitive? Â*How much do they run? Â*Do they keep track of multiple citations? Â*Do they affect insurance rates? Â*Can they be challenged in court?

[titties and beer]

my freind dan (35 flame,x2-500hp) got a ticket for loudness http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumb.gif ,but i think he was passing the cop @ like 90 mph http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif ticket was 105$

[DeepVee]

briangmr, sounds like he tried to fight it in court with the no luck. He states,

"I argued that it did not "alter" a muffling device, it "added" a muffling device. The judge at first sounded like he agreed with me, he recommended I take it to trial. However, at the end of the trial, he ruled in favor of the very poorly written law. If someone else uses a different argument and wins, I would be interested in hearing about it."

Heck I pass the National Park Rangers all the time, just wave as I'm going by. I don't think they are the problem though, sounds like it's the State guys which I seldom see.

[vmjtc3]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tub of Fun @ Mar. 09 2006, 06:55 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Will they give you a ticket for switchable exhaust even if your boat has a nevada registration.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

They are actually illegal in Nevada as well. Â*They are considered "cutouts" and it says "cutouts are illegal" Â*They are not going to pull you over to check this, and it is actually not a big deal, but if they want to use it, then they can.

from the NDOW website
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">NRS 488.195 Â*Muffling devices.

Â* Â* Â*1. Â*The exhaust of every internal combustion engine used on any motorboat must be effectively muffled by equipment so constructed and used as to muffle the noise of the exhaust in a reasonable manner.

Â* Â* Â*2. Â*The use of cutouts is prohibited.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
It also says a boat built before january 1 1993 is able to be 90 db instead of 88. l. I dont think my boat would be louder than 90 db anyway being a stock 454 mag . But if you can pass the db test using the cutout's what is the problem. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dunno.gif

[Tub of Fun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But if you can pass the db test using the cutout's what is the problem.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

This was my argument at the time of the discussion. Â*The thing is it says "cutouts are illegal" Â*The warden I was talking with agreed with me as well, and said the people in an office write this stuff. Â*I am not concerned about this law, but beware it is on the books. Â*We were sitting at a computer, and I showed him the picture on the corsa website while we were talking about it.

I agree if it is below either way, then what does it matter. Â*i don't think most of them even know what it is.

[vmjtc3]

my other argument would be that I dont have any muffler from the factory so how can it be a system to bypass a muffler I dont have. On my system it is either through the transom or through the prop. No mufflers.
That takes me to my next question according to the law all boats need a muffler can I get a ticket for no mufflers also or do they consider underwater exit a form of a muffler?
I have never had a problem at the lake I always exit through the prop in marinas and such and run it through the transom when out on the lake . http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif