Another engine rebuild project

[Trouble Maker]

Well, this post won't get finished up until late-May, but I thought I'd let you know where I'm at now, before I head off to Iraq for the next few monthes...

Got both motors pulled...courtesy of KNC engine pulling service (aka Kurt)...he's got the best rates and service in town. Just finished up with the engine bays...got everything routed correctly...installed the trim pumps onto those Dana mount plates and moved them up onto the transom...moved the outdrive reservoirs more towards the center, so it's easier to get to...installed new trim indicator cables...and of course a bunch of cleaning. Oh, I also had to move the Port transon assembly up about 7/16" to match it up with the other side. The rigging department at Eliminator back in 1999 really sucked to say the least, but I've got most of their half-assed work fixed now. I should have taken a before pic, but here's what it looks like now. I also plan to add the Eddie Marine polished sleeve onto the hatch actuator, and possibly a couple mirrors above the engines for a little more bling.

[Trouble Maker]

Everything is covered up...but here is two completely disassembled 509's waiting for rebuild. Â*First time I've ever had two engines apart in my garage....

[vzw4u]

Gary
What kind of mods are you going to do to the engines?

[Trouble Maker]

So, does this look like $3,500 worth of parts?? New pistons and H-beams for the Starboard motor...already had the set for the Port motor. New Ferrera Inconel exhaust valves and Ferrera Severe Duty intake valves for both motors. New Comp valve springs with 10 degree titanium retainers and locks. Slighty larger Comp Camshafts...basically these just have more lobe separation so I won't have anymore water reversion problems. Trying the Total Seal gapless rings this time instead of the Childs & Albert. And, two new Melling oil pumps and all the gaskets. I'll also be changing over to dual plane intake manifolds, so the air filters aren't pressed up against the hatch...the single plane ones I currently have set up pretty high and are probably a bit overkill anyway. I plan on port and polishing the heads to pick up a bit of efficiency and horsepower...looking for around 550 hp when I'm done, which should get me too the 100mph mark.

[Havasu Dreamin]

As a non-motor head it's interesting to see these threads.

Phuck Eddie Marine though, thieving bastards!

Good luck and godspeed on your upcoming oversees 'trip'.

[vzw4u]

Gary
Nice parts dude!
Your boat already hauled ass, now it is going to really haul ass

[Trouble Maker]

Bad pic...but when I took apart the starboard motor I found this little surprise...a broken valve retainer lock, which doesn't happen that often. But, the new titanium parts I have now should solve that.. Anyway, I found the broken pieces laying in the head and the one remaining lock was getting pulled through the retainer. I'll have to make a visit to the machine shop to get it apart. I probably wasn't too far away from dropping a valve, which would have a made a nice $$$ mess... Good thing I didn't make that last trip out to the lake on Christmas. It also damaged the lifter, but I got a new one already. That engine had also been going through some oil, but I answered that question when I found a broken ring in the #7 cylinder... And, the port motor as some of you know broke an exhaust valve last summer, which was more then likely caused by the water reversion problem...cold water being drawn across the hot valve over an over until it cracked...

Moral of the story... Crate motors are not always the best way to go, which is exactly what these motors were...ZZ502 long blocks that Eliminator throw oil pans and intake manifolds onto, then stuffed them in the boat. But after this rebuild there gonna be called Gary Wright 509 racing motors... Hahahaha

P.S. I've two set of aluminum valve covers for sale...they have logos "Eliminator 500hp" on them. I'm gonna ge me some shiny purple ones instead...

[PUMP 'HER']

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Trouble Maker @ Feb. 05 2006, 09:46 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First time I've ever had two engines apart in my garage....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Man, imagine the left over parts bucket your going to end up with. Or does that only happen with customer motors? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Should be sweet when you get it done. Hope you make it home early enough to put it together before 6-17. Like I said I'm sure your trainee McD can at least get it started for you. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rollinglaugh.gif

[Trouble Maker]

Here's a better pic of the valve covers if anyone is interested...$100 per set.

[dicudmore]

nice project Gary http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrinbounce2.gif

Iraq?? WTF? Thought you had "retired" from the military http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dunno.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dunno.gif

[THOR]

550HP each in a 28'er should get you close, if not over 100 mph. I know the 30' Eliminator with twin HO's runs close to mid 90's or so. You should be there no problem. Also, the 28 tall deck can run in 'almost' any kind of water. I say that because I have seen Mead with 10'ers rolling. Scary stuff at times. It sunk one of my Dad's boats back in the day.

[kevnmcd]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Trouble Maker @ Feb. 05 2006, 10:48 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here's a better pic of the valve covers if anyone is interested...$100 per set.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
How come you didn't offer those up when I need some? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumb.gif Then I wouldn't have had to use those "50/50" gaskets! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif

[Red Horse]

How do you think he cut the cost of his rebuild in half!! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif


Looks good Gary.

Did you take one of those AC Maint jobs in the AOR??

[Trouble Maker]

Did you take one of those AC Maint jobs in the AOR??[/quote]


I work for General Atomics (Predator program)...up at Indian Springs... Â*Only difference between the Air Force and being a civilian is that now I'll be getting paid better to do the shit jobs...


Kevin...I just decided today to go with the different valve covers..

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What are the single planes you are getting rid of? Â*I need a set...

I'll take both sets of the valve covers, I'll have them ground to get rid of Eliminator. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumb.gif

ZZ502 were not designed for marine use, or recommended from everything I've read.

[Trouble Maker]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Panic Button @ Feb. 05 2006, 3:13 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What are the single planes you are getting rid of? Â*I need a set...

I'll take both sets of the valve covers, I'll have them ground to get rid of Eliminator. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumb.gif

ZZ502 were not designed for marine use, or recommended from everything I've read.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, I know the ZZ502 was never a good choice for a marine engine, but that was primarily because of the camshaft only having a lobe seperation of 110 degees, which led to water reversion problems with some setups. As far as the heads though...I think that's the same GM stuff you'd find on many other mercruiser type motors....

The manifolds are Weiand "Team G"...one is rectangular and the other is oval...that's just another example of Eliminator just throwing shit together...then putting a $100k price tag on it...

If your serious about the valve covers...come and get'em...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Trouble Maker @ Feb. 05 2006, 6:37 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The manifolds are Weiand "Team G"...one is rectangular and the other is oval...[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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[kevnmcd]

Any update pics on your rebuilds? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dunno.gif How are they doing? Got them rebuilt yet?

[digginfordollars]

As a matter of fact I just got home after hoisting the bad boys in. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif

[DEEZ NUTTS]

I've torn down 3 "marine" motors and not seen anything "marine" about them. Measured the first one as it came apart and tolerances were all in spec per book. I would not hesitate to go the zz502 route with a cam change next time unless I felt that having Gary give them some extra love was in the budget.


God I hope I dont need a motor anytime soon.

zz502 has small cam lobe seperation, non-hardened valve seats, non Iconel exhaust valves in the heads & higher spring pressure, and only a 6 quart pan...

[kevnmcd]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (digginfordollars @ June 07 2006, 3:53 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As a matter of fact I just got home after hoisting the bad boys in. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
So where are the pics? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/director.gif

[Trouble Maker]

Yeah, I've been terrible with taking pics on this rebuild...I've just been focused on getting them back together...two motors has been a real job.

Today Kurt was ready to go when I gave him a call, so I still needed to put a few finishing touch on one motor while we were waiting for a break in the weather to install the other one. It would have been a good pic to see the boat with Kurt's backhoe sitting behind it, both getting soaked from the down pour we had. Not a good day to install motors!! Oh well, we got it done...now I just need to hook everything up and see if they'll fire. I should be at the lake on Sunday though for test run...

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[digginfordollars]

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It was freaking raining, didn't want to pull a Mcd and drop the camera in the gutter. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rollinglaugh.gif

[kevnmcd]

I dropped mine in the river http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asshole2.gif

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Olympus makes water proof cameras. The things are great.

[NdaWind]

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Add mask. fins and snorkel to your boat equipment check off list

[Trouble Maker]

Okay, here's my rebuild pics.... http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Cranked them up today. They both ran great. Tomorrow we're going for a lake test.....

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[never enough]

Looks good Gary,
What time you going out and Where?

[Trouble Maker]

Probably leave the house at 11am and try to make our way to Lake Mead without hitting any construction...if that's possible...

[SteveC]

It takes real talent to build and wrench. Not many can come close to you! FANTASTIC job!!! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif

[kimswang]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Trouble Maker @ June 10 2006, 8:20 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Okay, here's my rebuild pics.... Â* http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Cranked them up today. They both ran great. Â*Tomorrow we're going for a lake test.....

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Gary! You have no idea how much I want you to work for us! That looks AWESOME, let us now about the test run. Best of luck!

Kim !

[PUMP 'HER']

Here's hoping they run as good as they look. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif

[vzw4u]

Gary
Engines Look Great!
Want to do mine next?http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Maybe we will see you out there today. Should be launching at Lake Mead by 11am or so.

[Red Horse]

Sounds like a trend Gary. Vegas does need a GOOD hotboat engine guru like yourself....








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[Trouble Maker]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Horse @ June 11 2006, 08:04 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sounds like a trend Gary. Vegas does need a GOOD hotboat engine guru like yourself....








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10% discount to LVHB active members http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well...I wouldn't say I'm a "guru"...but I know enough to be very dangerous... Thanks for your kind words though... I guess now I need to get to lake to see if they'll actually peform...

[titties and beer]

LOOKS GREAT GARY http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumb.gif how much hp x2 and how fast will you go BLOWNNNNNNNNN BY ME? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/traurig001.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif

[PUMP 'HER']

Well? ? ? ?

[kevnmcd]

Looks good, Gary! How did they run?

[digginfordollars]

Talked to him this afternoon and he was very pleased, and he is pretty picky when it comes to his motors. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif

[Trouble Maker]

The motors ran great... Only problem I had was a small water leak at the thermostate housing on the intake manifold, which was an easy fix. I also need to put larger accelerator pump squirters on the primary sides of the carb (they stumble a bit coming off idle under a quick acceleration). I'm gonna go cut the oil filters this morning to make sure all the insides of the motors are happy...then I'll call it a two good rebuilds.....

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[Trouble Maker]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (titties and beer @ June 11 2006, 09:04 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOOKS GREAT GARY http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumb.gif how much hp x2 and how fast will you go BLOWNNNNNNNNN BY ME? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/traurig001.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/beerchug.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I never did dyno one of the motors like I was going to but I don't think I really incresed my hp that much...maybe 20-30 horsepower is all. The cam shaft is a bit bigger but the heads are the limiting factors on these motors...I'd have to change them out or do some serious modifications to get anymore flow out of them. But what I did gain is two motors that are NOT ZZ502's anymore and they should last for a long time without breaking valves...etc.etc..

I've got a GPS speedo now though, so I can the real numbers...I'll open it up this weekend and find out...



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[vzw4u]

Gary
Not a good day for engine testing out there! The lake was so damn choppy. Good to see you out there again.

[Trouble Maker]

Yeah that never fails...everytime I've gone to check something out or I've gotten a new/different boat the wind is alway blowing like crazy. Yesterday I didn't even look at my gauges to see if I had oil pressure or not until I was about 5 minutes up the lake and I finally managed to get all the water spray out of my eyes...

I also got a damn noise ticket yesterday too (98db)...is that bullshit or what?? I may be buying some Gatlins sooner than I expected...

[vzw4u]

Did you get the ticket from Officer Booker?
He is the one that has snagged me 3 times.

[kevnmcd]

I hope the Noise Nazi isn't up at Echo this weekend! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/insane.gif If so, I am in big trouble! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif Got the mufflers, just haven't put them on yet. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Trouble Maker]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nextel4u @ June 12 2006, 09:14 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Did you get the ticket from Officer Booker?
He is the one that has snagged me 3 times.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yep... $107 dollars worth..