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Havasu Dreamin
08-20-2004, 06:13 PM
COLORADO RIVER: Drought may alter accord

Plan to protect Lake Powell would reduce Lake Mead's share of water

By HENRY BREAN
REVIEW-JOURNAL

The seven states that share the Colorado River are considering a plan to protect Lake Powell by reducing the amount of water that is allowed to flow downstream to Lake Mead, the top Nevada water official said Thursday.

The proposal, which Southern Nevada Water Authority General Manager Pat Mulroy said has never before been seriously discussed, could cause Lake Mead to shrink even faster than it is.

Under the plan, which could be implemented if the drought persists through the winter, 7.8 million acre-feet of water would be released from Lake Powell instead of the 8.23 million acre-feet required under existing water policy, Mulroy said.

The purpose of withholding the water would be to keep Lake Powell from shrinking further and jeopardizing power generation at Glen Canyon Dam.

It also could prevent a "call on the river," under which drought-stricken water users in the upper basin would be required to give up more water so the 8.23 million acre-foot requirement can be met.

Mulroy said the plan was floated by representatives from the upper Colorado River Basin states of Colorado, Utah, New Mexico and Wyoming.

"The upper basin basically catapulted it onto the table, and I don't blame them," Mulroy said. "Two more years of less than 50 percent runoff, and Powell's a dead pool. There's nothing there. That's how close we are."

Don Oster, executive director for the Upper Colorado River Commission, indicated that reducing the flow from Powell is one possible scenario. But the upper basin's main proposal involves reviewing the operating plan for the river every six months instead of once a year during the drought.

"We have to understand what will happen if various drought situations continue, and pick a management scheme that is most protective," Oster said. "To us, the business-as-usual approach is not going to work anymore."

Five years of well-below normal snowfall along the western slope of the Rocky Mountains has reduced Lake Powell to 40 percent of its capacity. As a result, the power generation capacity of Glen Canyon Dam has fallen to 60 percent of full capacity.

If the lake level falls another 85 feet, the generators will be forced to shutdown completely, eliminating a major source of cheap power. That could create supply and financial problems for utilities and their customers, and not just in the upper basin.

Ely-based Mt. Wheeler Power is a member-owned electrical cooperative that serves about 4,000 customers over a 16,000 square mile service territory, including all of White Pine County and portions of six other counties in Nevada and Utah. Mt. Wheeler gets about half of its electricity from Glen Canyon Dam.

Kevin Robison, member services and marketing manager for the utility, said losing that source of power would force the cooperative to purchase electricity from another source at twice the cost. That would prompt the first rate increase for customers in 11 years, he said.

"It would be pretty significant. Obviously, hydropower is one of the least expensive power sources there is," Robison said.

Generating capacity also is down at Hoover Dam, though not as much. Bob Walsh, spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, said the dam's potential output is down about 14 percent.

Mulroy said she expects some sort of agreement before the end of the year on what water levels should be protected at the two reservoirs.

So long as the level for Lake Mead does not jeopardize the water authority intake pipes that supply water to the Las Vegas Valley, she supports protecting Powell.

"I don't have a problem helping the upper basin," Mulroy said. "If we want help from others, we have to be willing to help others. It's all about diplomacy."

That word has not always applied to Western water management, which has long been marked by bitter political fights, lawsuits and occasional threats of state-on-state warfare.

Mulroy said she is encouraged by the air of cooperation she has encountered at recent basin states meetings. Everyone seems to understand that water policy needs to be "flexible and adaptable" as the drought persists, she said.

Reclamation officials declined to speculate on how much of an impact the upper basin proposal could have on Lake Mead, citing the speculative nature of the proposal itself.

It is fair to say, however, that reducing the amount of water released from Lake Powell would cause Lake Mead to shrink, assuming there is no change in the amount of water released through Hoover Dam for delivery to Arizona, California and Mexico.

"It's simple mathematics," said Walsh, the Bureau of Reclamation spokesman.

Excluding surplus water that is available in some years, Arizona takes 2.8 million acre-feet of water from Colorado River a year, while California gets 4.4 million acre-feet and Mexico gets 1.5 million acre-feet.

Nevada's annual allotment of Colorado River water is 300,000 acre-feet, from which the Las Vegas Valley draws 90 percent of all the water it consumes.

An acre-foot equals about 326,000 gallons. The average household in the Las Vegas Valley is said to consume about 230,000 gallons of water per year.

A more rapid drop in the water level at Lake Mead could make things even more difficult for National Park Service personnel, who are already struggling to keep up with the impacts of falling water at the nation's fifth most visited park site.

Every 20-foot drop in lake elevation costs the park service up to $6 million for maintenance and infrastructure, said Roxanne Dey, spokeswoman for Lake Mead National Recreation Area.

That figure does not include what it costs park concessionaires to keep their businesses running at the lake.

A continued drop in the water level could require boat launch ramps to be extended and marinas to be reconfigured or moved to deeper water, Dey said. "It really depends on the elevation. Some of our ramps extend further than others."

Already, the drought has caused the water level at Lake Mead to drop more than 87 feet from near-capacity levels in 1998.

Based on current climate conditions and water policy, the Bureau of Reclamation projects the level will fall another 23 feet by summer 2006.

Water policymakers from the seven basin states last met in July in Salt Lake City. Their next meeting has not been set, but it is expected to take place in September or October.

<span style='font-size:7.75pt;line-height:100%'>Reprinted WITHOUT the permission of the Las Vegas Review Journal</span>

OutCole'd
08-20-2004, 07:31 PM
They better do something here quick.

08-21-2004, 05:35 AM
Stop giving water to California, they get their % and that's it, no more.

FonZi
08-21-2004, 09:45 AM
Looks like there will be a new major attraction in the west...
Mead Canyon, the worlds largest skate-board park?

TooMuchFun
08-21-2004, 11:46 AM
Compromise is important, as long as it is intelligent compromise to the relative benefit of all. Droughts usually come in long cycles, with many of the droughts in the west lasting 50-150 years if you look back historically over a thousand years. Contemporary society is too focused on immediate gratification and quick artificial fixes that often have long term negative impact.

The real fixes include slowing the rapid metropolitan expansion of Vegas, cutting back on large water shows in the Casinos and the golf course water needs, changing agribusiness in CA toward other conservation oriented methods of watering and restricting flow to CA, shutting off water to Mexico, and etc.; none of which will be implemented until it is WAY too late I am afraid.

Good that policy is coming forward to save Powell, for there is policy recommendations to do away with the dam north of us and turn Powell back to a river. Helps Mead levels, but the silt and etc. coming down will pollute and cause other challenges, and we lose Powell as a recreation area.

TooMuchFun

Red Horse
08-21-2004, 12:47 PM
Take a look at this. Water levels go up and down. Mother Nature works in cycles. I think that the lakes will fill back up. Just a matter of time.

http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/mead-elv.html

titties and beer
08-21-2004, 07:39 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Horse @ Aug. 21 2004, 2:47 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Take a look at this. Water levels go up and down. Mother Nature works in cycles. I think that the lakes will fill back up. Just a matter of time.

http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/mead-elv.html[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
ya right http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

TooMuchFun
08-22-2004, 08:33 AM
Agreed with RH. Mead has been down below 1050 before in past drought cycles which is another 75 feet. My only concern is that with all the development in CA, AZ, and NV in the past couple decades we are raping the resource a bit too heavily. Eventually nature (the earth mother) will take care of things by getting rid of the humans if we humans f*&^ with her too much ... different creatures have become the dominant form of life on this planet at different times, and when they get out of control some form of natural event occurs that wipes them out to make way for the next one.

The cockroaches are watching and remain hopeful LOL.

TooMuchFun

burtandnancy
08-22-2004, 02:01 PM
To Much, I partially agree with you but slowing growth is difficult. Also, the water used at the Casino water shows is recirculated and some of the golf course water is recycled (grey). The only salvation for Lakes Powell & Mead is mother nature and she can be a bitch.

Red Horse, I've got that table grafted and framed at my home, its very interesting to study. I was boating at Mead in 66 when it went down to 1088 feed and was there when it overflowed the spillways at 1228 (three feet over the top). I was also there today at 1126. Its still a great lake...

Havasu Dreamin
08-22-2004, 02:02 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (TooMuchFun @ Aug. 22 2004, 09:33 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Eventually nature (the earth mother) will take care of things by getting rid of the humans if we humans f*&^ with her too much ... different creatures have become the dominant form of life on this planet at different times, and when they get out of control some form of natural event occurs that wipes them out to make way for the next one.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Geez, can we get a little more doomsdayish? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

On a positive note http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif they are building a new golf course off of the 10 in Palm Springs! Like that area needs another golf course! I heard that the average golf course in PS uses 1 million gallons water per month and there are something 125+ of them down there.

08-22-2004, 02:12 PM
The water that you see in front of casinios is required as a secondary water source in case of fires. The required gallons depends on the amount of rooms and the square foot of the casino and other areas. This pertains to Clark County only...

THOR
08-22-2004, 06:34 PM
Dont blame Californians for the water problems. There are many more issues related to this other than the that.

burtandnancy
08-23-2004, 07:46 AM
Havasu Dreamin, don't worry about the water in Palm Springs.All the aquafers in LA, SB and Riverside drain down there as PS is at or below sea level. They will never run out of water, and also the quality is very good as it sand filters all the way down...

ex cracker
08-23-2004, 11:38 AM
I read an article in the L.V. Sun last week that they plan to seed the clouds in the Western Rockies after successfully doing it in Northern Nevada to try and help mother nature along.

TooMuchFun
08-23-2004, 12:44 PM
Good ... here's hoping it helps. All the technology we have, we should be able to facilitate the weather we want http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

TooMuchFun

Havasu Dreamin
08-23-2004, 12:59 PM
What we really need is an El Nino (http://topex-www.jpl.nasa.gov/elnino/20040727.html) this winter.

RiverLife
08-23-2004, 01:25 PM
She'll fill back up. I think the media and the bureaus are a bunch of drama queens.

PUMP 'HER'
08-23-2004, 03:54 PM
I think we would need 2-3 El Nino's.

burtandnancy
08-24-2004, 03:21 PM
I put cloud seeding right up there with rain dancing! Lou Dobbs is going to say more about the 500 year drought on CNN tomarrow at 3 pm. He started today, but the audio went out. Saw some great shots of Mead and Powell before he cut in...

RiverLife
08-26-2004, 12:05 PM
If it did ever dry up I'd still be going there, but with my dirt bike instead of the boat!! Lake Mead Motocross Park, I can see it now. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

RADDONKEY
08-31-2004, 12:44 PM
Thats right I'll turn my boat shop into a 4X4 shop, ready for the Mead Mud Bogs. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

cola
08-31-2004, 04:50 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (VelocityDriver @ Aug. 21 2004, 06:35 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stop giving water to California, they get their % and that's it, no more.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
We built the F*CKEN dams so we could use the water also. Without the dams we built all the water would be in Mexico.
Late, Mike

THOR
08-31-2004, 07:04 PM
Actually, the dam wasnt built so people could ride in their boats. That wasnt even a consideration.

Essex502
09-01-2004, 05:34 AM
Wasn't electrical generation and control of the "ragin' Colorado"? I thought the boating and other recreational uses was an afterthought.

Essex502
09-01-2004, 05:37 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Havasu Dreamin @ Aug. 23 2004, 1:59 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What we really need is an El Nino (http://topex-www.jpl.nasa.gov/elnino/20040727.html) this winter.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The average "El Nino" effect in Colorado seems to be no increase in snowfall. At least according to These Statistics. (http://www.snowforecast.com/misc/ElNinoSnow_CO.htm) There is actually LESS snowfall - on average - in December.