I got an ITCH! [Archive]

Havasu Dreamin

07-31-2002, 06:12 PM

I have not heard anything about the handling of the Tempest nor have I driven it. I do know it has a notch in the pad back by the keel, similiar I THINK to the Vortex, perhaps that is the rreason?

When the Tempest first came out I did not like it at all! Perhaps it was becasue the first one from the mold was all GRAY! Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif Â*Anyway, the look has grown on me and I would love to buy one, for the very same reason Greg, handle the chop better. They have a 25 at the shop with the open bow and the cuddy only the cuddy is a walkthru. I'll try and post the pic to this message.
http://bikini.hotboat.net/archives/38/1/01.jpg

Anyway, I believe that Essex is currently working on tooling a 24 footer. Not sure if it is a deep v or a cat. I suspect a deep V and I also suspect a cat is in the future and then possibly a deck boat with the cat bottom and a deckboat deck.

STV_Keith

07-31-2002, 06:53 PM

Personally I think you'd be happier with a cat too, but you might check into Lavey Craft for a V.

BADFISH II

07-31-2002, 07:10 PM

HD, I haven't seen the tempest like that. Â*The open bow in the pics on their site and in Hot Boat Mag has a covered cuddy walk thru that's open on both ends. Â*that one has a totally open walk thru with no covered cuddy to an open bow. Â*What gives again? Â*Is that a different version?

What do you mean by "notch in the keel"? All I know, is I've only had one other boat that didn't compare to my Essex, but as far as I'm concerned the Essex damn near drives itself.

Now, let's talk about holding a value. Is there another boat out there that holds it's value like an Essex?? I don't think so. I bought mine Jan. of '00, I put custom graphics on it, but other than that it's stock with the 454 Merc Bravo 3. I paid $47,500 about. I got an offer from two dealers the other day for $43,500, and through Nadaguides it may even be worth more according to the appraisal. I'd call that pretty damn good resale for 3 boating seasons, but you guys tell me. Plus you don't find Essex's for sale that often on the used market, people who buy them just don't sell them.

So, that's another reason I think the Essex makes sense. I'd like a cat, but I'm unsure about them in the nasty water.

Havasu Dreamin

07-31-2002, 07:15 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ July 31 2002, 8:10 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">HD, I haven't seen the tempest like that. Â*The open bow in the pics has a covered cuddy walk thru that's open on both ends. Â*that one has a totally open walk thru with no covered cuddy. Â*What gives again? Â*Is that a different version?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yes, it's a differnt option that Essex will do on the 25. I like it a little bit more than the regular cuddy as you get the benefit of a cuddy cabin, the shade and additional seating, but its a lot easier walking from the back of the boat to the front. To the best of my knowledge this is the only one they have done like this so far and it's in the showroom.

BADFISH II

07-31-2002, 07:20 PM

I edited that last message HD.

I talked to Amy today. She told me about that one in the pic that's on the floor. I wish I was taking a trip to Cal. to see it in the near future http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Havasu Dreamin

07-31-2002, 07:40 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ July 31 2002, 8:10 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What do you mean by "notch in the keel"? Â*All I know, is I've only had one other boat that didn't compare to my Essex, but as far as I'm concerned the Essex damn near drives itself.

Now, let's talk about holding a value. Â*Is there another boat out there that holds it's value like an Essex?? Â*I don't think so. Â*<SNIP> Plus you don't find Essex's for sale that often on the used market, people who buy them just don't sell them.

So, that's another reason I think the Essex makes sense. Â*I'd like a cat, but I'm unsure about them in the nasty water.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The Tempest, and I think the Vortex, have a notch in the pad on the keel of the boat back by the transom. Take a look under your boat at the keel and if you see a flat area that's what I'm talking about. It's supposed to give the same benefit of a step bottom, airing out the hull at speed, but not have the step bottom problems in the turns. I've never been in a step bottom boat so I am only speaking on what I have been told and have read.

As far as holding value, I think Essex stands up VERY well against any otehr boat out there. And obviously better than some. You very rarely see them in Boat Trader and if you do, they arre snapped up fairly quickly. I think most people that buy an Essex trade them in for another Essex. That's what I'll be doing some day. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

LV-Advantage

07-31-2002, 07:48 PM

LM1

You know after you take a ride in my boat this weekend you might just wander from the essex family. My boat has pretty small steps so i don't think you get much of the turning problems associated with a step bottom. just make sure you shop around before you spend on a boat in that price.

BADFISH II

07-31-2002, 07:59 PM

Sounds good LV Adv. I plan on making an informed decision this time just like when I bought the essex (which is why I bought the Essex and why I'm partial to them). I'm starting to ask questions now, because I know that by the end of the year I want something new and 25 to 27 feet (27 at most, rather have 25).

Can't wait to ride in the LV Advantage! Can't wait till Saturday!

07-31-2002, 09:06 PM

Hey Greg,
I was at Essex today. That 25 is a nice looking ride. I too wasn't particularly fond of the hull when it first came out, but it has grown on me. If you are looking for something bigger and want to stay with a great builder, you shoud check out the one on the showroom floor.

So what did Amy quote you for a price?

Essex502

08-01-2002, 06:19 AM

What the Alandra owner told me was that when Essex designed the hull (now that I read Hot Boat I find they don't design the hull at all but farm it out) they made it too sharp (?) and that it "wandered" at speed and was difficult to keep straight. Again, completely hearsay but at least it's worth looking into. I too want to upgrade to a bigger boat in a year or so. Probably in the 27' to 29' range to handle the crap like Mojave's basin or Havasu or Mead - all on windy, cut-up days. I am not enamored with the looks of the Alandra at all. It looks "bulky". The Tempest - well, I haven't seen one up close and personal except at the boat show when it debuted and didn't like it's looks either. Since I live out in Santa Clarita it's an all day event getting to Ontario to see it in the showroom so that will have to wait till we're alot closer to being serious about upgrading.

BADFISH II

08-01-2002, 06:27 AM

hmm, too sharp. The vortex holds a line perfect. I'd want to drive it first anyway. I like the looks of it, I like how smooth they do the lines.

The alandra I like also, but that's up close to 100k.

Tempest is 60,500 with 496. the mag ho 496 is an extra 4,500.

THOR

08-01-2002, 06:42 AM

Man,
Where can I get jobs like you all? I am getting very jealous reading all this stuff about new boats. If anyone needs a new ride, it ME DAMNIT.

There, I am done venting.

http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

BADFISH II

08-01-2002, 06:54 AM

Hey, I want one but can't do it yet. I'm banking on a certain web project of mine (not LVHB obviously http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

That and I don't live in So Cal where it costs a buttload for a house.

Havasu Dreamin

08-01-2002, 07:10 AM

It's a never ending cycle I think. I never thought I'd want a boat bigger than my 21 and now I'd really like to get the 25.

BADFISH II

08-01-2002, 07:12 AM

but you haven't driven it yet right? Â*I would have to think it would handle like the 22 but it sounds like it doesn't. Â*Of course that's coming from someone who's used to driving the 29, there's got to be a pronounced size difference too. Size matters http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

digginfordollars

08-01-2002, 07:40 AM

What about an open bow cat?

Havasu Dreamin

08-01-2002, 08:11 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ Aug. 01 2002, 08:12 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but you haven't driven it yet right? Â*I would have to think it would handle like the 22 but it sounds like it doesn't. Â*[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No, I have not yet driven it, but would be fore I bought it. Realistically, I would not seriously be looking into buying another boat until after next season. but it's fun to talk about it and go to the boat shows and dream. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

BADFISH II

08-01-2002, 08:15 AM

I would look at an open bow cat, but I lean to the deep V.

It is fun to wish and dream! Hopefully it will come true http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

waterndog

08-01-2002, 08:50 AM

I would definitely check out & test ride the 26 or 27 Lavey. Not just because I'm A Lavey owner, but they make an awesome looking great handleing well built boat. I think the 27 with the 496 ho will run someting like 70 thats what I read in powerboat mag.

BADFISH II

08-01-2002, 08:58 AM

Hey Wndog, how it going? Wish you could make it Saturday with us. I just may check out the Lavey too.

Actually, I really want to check out the new Howard 25 Bullet

THOR

08-01-2002, 09:10 AM

Is there a Lavey dealer here in SoCal?

LM,
Does Essex pay you for all this pub? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

BADFISH II

08-01-2002, 09:12 AM

They should pay me! I wish they would pay me! at least they could give me a discount on a boat, but I don't think that's even possible.

waterndog

08-01-2002, 09:14 AM

Hey greg, its going good thanks. Ya wish I could make it to. But even if I had plan too I'd probably have to cancel. Had little mishap on the way to moabi last weekend. A 3ft pipe decided to fly up in the air bounch off the roof of my truck and slam into the deck of my boat at 62mph. So the boats going to the shop this weekend if they can get me in. Howard builds a really nice boat. I use to never be a big fan of howards mainly because of looks but man there newer models are looking pretty sweet.

RUNNIN A FEVER

08-01-2002, 11:26 AM

LM1 - seats 5, w/ dog in middle of seats. Comfortable? We'll I guess I should clarify comfortable before I answer. It's not spacious like a typical lake boat, it's designed to be a snug fit so you don't get hurt when the going gets rough. You don't usually have to hold on to anything, ever. Come on over this weekend and check it out.

It is heavy, on the spec sheet, but my 11 yr old 454 duallie forgets it there. The closed bow has grown on me: I can escape the sun, take a nap. I've alienated most of my friends so I don't need the seating. Large rear hatch is a PLUS.

Havasu Dreamin

08-01-2002, 12:50 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ Aug. 01 2002, 10:12 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wish they would pay me! at least they could give me a discount on a boat, but I don't think that's even possible.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You and me both! And no discounts.

LV-Advantage

08-01-2002, 06:08 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ Aug. 01 2002, 09:58 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Wndog, how it going? Â*Wish you could make it Saturday with us. Â*I just may check out the Lavey too.

Actually, I really want to check out the new Howard 25 Bullet[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
LM1 I saw that picture of the howard on hotboat that looks like a pretty sweet boat. Definitely worth looking into, but low 60's w/ a 6.2 seems kinda pricey(most 25's at that price would have a 496)

BTW I'm going to meet up with you guys at the Fiesta Sat. @ 7:30.

Rich

BADFISH II

08-01-2002, 06:40 PM

That 6.2 I think he said would do in the low 60's, which is fine by me. Â*I would like to have a 75 mph boat, but that's not a priority. Â*Ms. LM1 doesn't like going fast anyway, she just likes the cruising and drinking silvers http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*at a beach somewhere.

I really want a boat I can go find a cove in and anchor up for the night, but also could have room for 6 people. Â*Sounds like I could sleep in the Cuddy, but also have plenty of room for the 6 people for day trips. Â*We'll see, I still love my Essex. Â*I may have to give somewhere http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Glad you're meeting up with us LV Adv. Â*We'll see ya Sat. morn at the fiesta.

Greg

BADFISH II

08-12-2002, 09:28 AM

HMMMMMMMMMMM, anyone know anything about these (do you know anyone who has one?)

Suddenly, the thought of a ride capable of ocean trips to Catalina for a vacation sounds appealing.....

Someday, I'll have the cashola! I saw one for sale for 79k on boats.com

duckbutter

08-12-2002, 09:56 AM

Greg I saw a Tempest Sunday. It was pretty sweet looking. I was busy for once in my life so i didn't get to talk to him. what I'm trying to say is you have my OK to upgrade, and that's really all the matters http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Havasu Dreamin

08-12-2002, 10:21 AM

From a 22 to a 25 to the 29!!!!!! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Although you can now get it with twin 6.2's!

BADFISH II

08-12-2002, 10:31 AM

Really??? Twin 6.2's huh? I wonder what that would pull top end? Hey Scott, didn't you say you knew someone with an Alondra? How do they like it? Keeping in mind, I want to make an occasional trip to Catalina and I don't know if it's good for that or not. Most of my trips will be freshwater though.

I'm just getting ideas. The more ideas, the more expensive it gets. I may just end up putting this off longer, because I don't want to upgrade again. I'd rather wait and get what I want.

I'm just dreaming, although, if my project takes off like I hope, it may not be dreaming after all http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Essex502

08-12-2002, 10:51 AM

Forget about the twin 6.2's - get the twin Scorpians! SHould make an awesome ride! Add Hydraulic Steering and K planes (if not included) and go for it! Guess I'll have to wait till the market comes back around......

BADFISH II

08-12-2002, 12:44 PM

can you tell I'm bored? I'm sure Runnin a Fever will have something to say about this pic

BADFISH II

08-12-2002, 12:55 PM

Nope, got it this time! Any guesses what this runs??? I'm guessing 1mm

THOR

08-12-2002, 01:03 PM

This is unreal.
http://www.scopeinfo.com/images/HOT-Shots/2001-November-15-Hot-Shot.jpg

BADFISH II

08-12-2002, 01:10 PM

SWEET, that would scare the s$$T out of me.

RiverLife

08-12-2002, 01:17 PM

I've got an itch too! Â*That girl said she was clean?? Â*Craig, got any of that cream left over? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Actually, this thing has me itching pretty bad!!!! Open bow though.

RiverLife

08-12-2002, 01:20 PM

but first, I think I'm going to transform my 22 in to this 22. Same boat, but 20 years newer.

BADFISH II

08-12-2002, 01:40 PM

Nice, that's the 27 shadow isn't it? base price 79k, 90k with the 500 in it. I checked.

can't wait to see that resto too RL. Your boat sure has a throaty sound to it also http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

waterndog

08-12-2002, 01:50 PM

Don't count out the 2750 Lavey they are pretty bad ass !!
http://www.laveycraft.com/the_boats/2750nuera/images/intro-01.jpg

LV-Advantage

08-12-2002, 02:32 PM

LM1
Since you're thinking bigger now check out the new 28 Advantage it is pretty sweet. It has a side entrance to the cuddy so it is a lot bigger underneath. They have one down at offshore. 79K with a 496ho

BADFISH II

08-12-2002, 03:06 PM

HMMMMM, Lavey http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

BADFISH II

08-12-2002, 06:51 PM

Nice! I've seen these on the net for sale with the inside all leather. Pretty sweet!

Havasu Dreamin

08-12-2002, 08:10 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ Aug. 12 2002, 11:31 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Scott, didn't you say you knew someone with an Alondra? How do they like it? Â*Keeping in mind, I want to make an occasional trip to Catalina and I don't know if it's good for that or not. Â*Most of my trips will be freshwater though. Â*[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I spoke with a guy at the regatta in June that had an Alandra and he said he loved it! It's just a BIG GD boat!

Personally, if you're thinking of catalina runs, I would suggest something with a closed bow just in case you take a wave over the bow. I do belive that you can get the 29 with a closed bow as you can the Lavey 2750 and the Advantage 28 among others.

Also, if I remember correctly the 29 with the twin 6.2's was right around $100k!

dave

08-13-2002, 10:12 AM

Greg, you'd better go with at least a 30'er cause you'll have at least 3 extra passengers for the catalina trips!

RUNNIN A FEVER

08-13-2002, 11:28 AM

LM-1 --- OOOOOHHHH YEEEAAHHHH!!! Fountains love big water (MOHAVE http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ) I hope in the future to hit some ocean swells, or Mead if they ever put some water in it. Drop by Havasu on Sept 13-15 and I'll show you around. What chop?

BADFISH II

08-13-2002, 11:33 AM

Runnin, change those dates to do the RRX Poker run with us. We'll be out there 9/20 through 9/22. It would be great to actually hang out and not just wave http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif All I saw of your boat was the name http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

RUNNIN A FEVER

08-14-2002, 11:22 AM

LM1 - I'm considering it. The group I was planning on hanging out with seems a bit slow to commit (I smell a snooze fest). I'll check out the info on RRX run.

RiverDave

08-14-2002, 09:26 PM

Are you looking for "honest" opinions here?

RD

BADFISH II

08-15-2002, 06:49 AM

Runnin - We need ya at the RRX poker run! Try to make it (not to mention I still want to check out that ride of yours)

RD, yes I am looking for honest opinions. I don't have the money now, but hopefully will in the near future and I'm just getting ideas.

90% of my boating is on freshwater, but I want a big deep V because Mead gets really nasty, and I want to take an occasional trip out to Catalina for a weekend getaway. I need to be able to sleep on it, at least two. I want something that can be powered to run in the mid 70's and handle rough water very well. I'm concerned with quality, and don't want junk!

That being said, what's your honest opinion RD?

Havasu Dreamin

08-15-2002, 08:53 AM

Greg, I'd also think you would want to consider Hallett. They're a$$h**e$ over there, but they make GREAT boats!

RiverDave

08-15-2002, 01:20 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ Aug. 15 2002, 07:49 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Runnin - We need ya at the RRX poker run! Â*Try to make it (not to mention I still want to check out that ride of yours)

RD, yes I am looking for honest opinions. Â*I don't have the money now, but hopefully will in the near future and I'm just getting ideas.

90% of my boating is on freshwater, but I want a big deep V because Mead gets really nasty, and I want to take an occasional trip out to Catalina for a weekend getaway. Â*I need to be able to sleep on it, at least two. Â*I want something that can be powered to run in the mid 70's and handle rough water very well. Â*I'm concerned with quality, and don't want junk!

That being said, what's your honest opinion RD?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'll respond to this tonight when I have more time to type out the good and the bad (In my opinion) on each one..

RD

RiverDave

08-20-2002, 08:58 AM

I haven't forgot about this, just been swamped and I don't want to short change ya on my reasoning.. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

RD

RiverDave

08-20-2002, 10:20 PM

Alrighty, I'll go through these one at a time in there own individual post that way when I get "flamed" for it (which I expect I will becuase I'm sure that somebody owns one) they can quote the exact boat I'm talking about and make there miserable poor misguided argument.

Starting with the 25 Tempest.. Earlier in the thread some of the handling quirks were brought up, but above and beyond that just take a look at it.. If you've seen one in person it really takes your breath away... Becuase your chasing all the chicks that are running in the other direction. I'm not sure what crack smoker designed the mid deck section of that boat, but I'd be willing to bet he was just trying to be "different." It's not a signiature look.. It's just plain ugly.
You really have to ask yourself one thing.. Why do we buy the things that we buy?? Somewhere in there "IMAGE" is going to come into play, That boat is seriously lacking it.. Saw one out at the river for the FIRST TIME last weekend.. Uuuhhh yeah.. It's even better in person lemme tell ya.

RD

RiverDave

08-20-2002, 10:27 PM

As for Fountain boats (this pretty much sums it up for all of them)

Just whap anywhere from 3 - 5 feet off the total advertised length and that's the true length. Â* That's right folks they include that big ass "Beak" into the length of the boat.. Â*
So between that and the HUGE integrated swim steps (and I'm talking freakin HUGE on those boats) Â*the running surface is actually alot smaller then you would think. Â*

World record holders.... blah blah blah.. Â* Smaller boat + Same Horsepower = Faster Speeds. Â* Â*They are definately a quality boat don't get me wrong, but I've seen a smaller Donzi runabout Parked next too a smaller fountain that was supposedly a few feet larger side by side on the trailers and that fountain was "dwarfed" by the Donzi. Â* Â*This is even MORE true the bigger the boats get.. Â*If your looking for a production offshore boat look no further then Formula, Heavier boats with a better bottom and nicer amenities.

http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-85057-29fev.jpg

RD

RiverDave

08-20-2002, 10:32 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is there another boat out there that holds it's value like an Essex?? I don't think so. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Actually there is a few others that will hold there value like an original Elvis record.

Hallett is one of them

RD

RiverDave

08-20-2002, 10:43 PM

http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-93603-lavey.jpg

I've driven the Lavey 2750 witha Â*Teague 620 package in it. Â*
If your looking for the performance of your Vortex just "scaled" up it's a very dossile, very smooth riding boat for the size. Â* There vacuum bag construction kicks ass, and over all it's a pretty sharp looking boat. Â*It is one of my favorite boats in the 27-29 foot range. Â*
A little note though there 26 reportedly has a "slow bottom" on it. Â* This is unconfirmed by me, but the "word on the street." Â* Â*I plan on taking a drive in of those very soon.

RD

RiverDave

08-20-2002, 10:49 PM

http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/uploads/post-2-87055-27rearsidegirls.jpg

The Ultra 27 Shadow is definately one of the most bad ass looking cats around. It doesn't look like another Eliminator/DCB/Everyone else kinda boat..

I don't know a whole lot about it, but I do know that of the two that I've seen at the river it seems like they lean a little to the outside when there turning. It does seem to have pretty big swim steps on it so I'd be more apt to compare it to a 25/26 foot daytona or a Mach 26 or something.

I'm not sure of the performance #'s that it puts up vs the horsepower, but I can say that much like HTM it's got ALOT of freeboard on it so it feels like your getting a much bigger boat for the money. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif The only difference is this one is good looking while "some people" tend to think HTM's are a little questionable in the styling dept.
RD

RiverDave

08-20-2002, 10:59 PM

The Howard 28 Bullet from what I've been told is pretty much bad ass. Â* I can tell you that Howard builds a NICE BOAT and you do get what ya pay for. Â*

Personally there 21 custom cruiser is still my favorite boat that they make but there whole line up is pretty good. Â*

There 22 Offshore is actually a 24 Schiada shortened by two feet and tweaked a little. Â*

I think they just came out with and are coming out with a couple of new models that are a little more "modern" much like the bullett that would be worth looking at if you don't like there more traditional styled boats.

RD

RiverDave

08-20-2002, 11:03 PM

These are just my opinions based upon information that I have gathered...

I'm sure some people aren't happy about them and I'm sure some are, but most of it is public knowledge anyways..

RD

THOR

08-21-2002, 06:49 AM

I am a tad partial to Eliminator, just because I own one (but dont ask the bank).

My boat, not that great, but good.

Boats either ridden in or driven:

25'-26' Daytonas - totally stable and fast, but pricy

26' DCB - same as Eliminator, pricy and fast

HTM - great ride, less comfortable as the previous, but also less money

Ultra21-22' - cant beat the price, fast but have a very light feel to them. That is, they seem to want to come out of the water easily

Cheetah - Most bang for your buck. Was in a 24' 454 EFi that hit the high 60's and cruised very nicely.

All of these boats look great from the back, because that is the only view I have. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

STV_Keith

08-21-2002, 07:16 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RiverDave @ Aug. 20 2002, 11:43 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A little note though there 26 reportedly has a "slow bottom" on it. Â* This is unconfirmed by me, but the "word on the street." Â* Â*I plan on taking a drive in of those very soon.

RD[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hey Dave, better tell Andy. He was saying that the 26 Nu Era is what he is looking into.

Havasu Dreamin

08-21-2002, 07:17 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RiverDave @ Aug. 20 2002, 11:20 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Starting with the 25 Tempest.. Â*

RD[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No flames here Dave. I did not like the 25 when it first came out, thought it was fugly! But I really like the one with the walk-thru cuddy, but that's just me. As you said it is different. Of course, maybe because I like it explains why I'm single Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/ohboy.gif Â*they're all running away from me. LOL Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I think the vacuum bagging on the Lavey's is awesome but I also heard that a Lavey was the "demon boat unsafe at any speed" that Kevin was talking about in his article in Hot Boat. Have you heard anything? I think they make a great boat but if that is the case, whoa!

Also, what do you think about the quirks of a stepped hull? SuperCrewJohn has some opinions about stepped hulls I think. Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

Oh, BTW, sure I may be biased on this http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif , I agree with your statement on HB of Essex being in the upper echelon of the builders. They might be in the lower end OF the upper echelon but I think they are there.

Also, excellent point about the Hallett. Great, great boats, just a$$holes to deal with.

RUNNIN A FEVER

08-21-2002, 11:27 AM

RiverDave - Hello, I'm David Runnin a Fever. Just a couple of questions for ya, since I don't know ya. Are you in the boating industry? Test driver, evaluator? Just curious after reading your opinions.

You knew it was going to happen-so here's my response on the Fountain thing. Your correct about he 2 foot length difference between Fountain and most others. But your "opinion" of the useless beak leads me to believe you've never owned one. The hull is designed for speed in the rough, and if you check your specs the Formula (excellent boat) is slower. It's just want the individual wants- speed or more cabin room. The "freaking huge" swim step is a very nice assest for me. It keeps us away form the prop/drive while anchored (which is how we spend a great deal of time), it completes the lines of the boat, and is a comfortable place to stay cool and enjoy a cold one.

Not all boats are created equal! Some are lake boats and some are ocean boats. It's not hard to distinguish one from the other. You can take an ocean boat anywhere, a lake boat is made for the lake.

Oh and by the way for those of us who have limited funds, a Donzi may dwarf a Fountain or any other boat in it's class but so does the price tag. If I could afford it I'd buy one.

Just my two cents worth, I just had to get my panties out their twist. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

RD - what kind of boat do you have?

Havasu Dreamin

08-21-2002, 12:02 PM

In Dave's defense, not that he needs me to defend him, Greg did ask Dave what his opinions were and he provided them. That's it. Some of the people on here may not agree with them, read my post I happen to like the Essex 25, and that is their right, but it is also Daves right to provide his opinions when asked or even when not asked. That's the beauty of this country.

The bottom line is this, everyone thinks their boat is the s**t, otherwise, why would you have bought it?? Obviously this statement/hypothesis does not take into account affordability, which is something most people have to consider when buying a boat, but I think you get the gist of what I am saying.

Everyone is very passionate about their boat because it is their pride and joy and what THEY want and ,frankly, takes up a chunk of money even if it is an older model. Just because you do not want it does not mean it is a bad boat for them nor does it necessarily mean it's a abd boat in general. It's all about what you, as the owner, are satisfied with.

I think most people get upset, and I've been guilty of this as well, when people rip their brand of boat becasue they don't want to think they paid good money, on the order of $40k-$50k, for a perceived inferior product.

Case in point Runnin, I did not get a chance to talk with you at Mohave during the photoshoot, but your Fountain is a very nice boat. Would I buy one, no, but that does not mean it's a bad boat. It serves your purposes and that is all that truly maters.

Anyone looking to buy a boat needs to do the research and make the best informed decision they can make. That includes soliciting opinions from people that have been around boats for quite some time and from those new to boating as well. Everyone has a different perception and each one can help make the buyers decision a little easier, although it usually makes it more difficult. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Oh, another thing, providing an opinion about a boat is in no way a personal attack on anyone that owns that boat. At least in my opinion.

Sorry for the long post, I wasn't trying to piss anyone off so if I did, well, that was not my intention.

RiverDave

08-21-2002, 12:12 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think the vacuum bagging on the Lavey's is awesome but I also heard that a Lavey was the "demon boat unsafe at any speed" that Kevin was talking about in his article in Hot Boat. Have you heard anything? I think they make a great boat but if that is the case, whoa!
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

It was the "demon boat" and the reason why that article was never followed up on is becuase Lavey did the right thing for the customer (not necesarrily becuase of the article) They took the boat back and rolled that big SOB over and changed the bottom. They did a little more R & D on it and I'm here to tell ya that I've DRIVEN the boat that Kevin wrote about and it's one of the MOST tame boats I've ever driven. I was flat shocked when I was told it was the exact same boat that was mentioned in that article..

The problem is that sometimes with boat shows right around the corner and hotboat performance evaluations coming up etc... Sometimes boats that aren't completely dialed in get sent to them. This was the case here.

Keep in mind that DCB's Mach 34 had huge problems with the original, But they kept rolling it over and changing things until they found the path to righteousness. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Now it's a bad ass boat.

RD

RD

Havasu Dreamin

08-21-2002, 12:19 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RiverDave @ Aug. 21 2002, 1:12 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was the "demon boat" and the reason why that article was never followed up on is becuase Lavey did the right thing for the customer (not necesarrily becuase of the article) Â*They took the boat back and rolled that big SOB over and changed the bottom. Â*They did a little more R & D on it and I'm here to tell ya that I've DRIVEN the boat that Kevin wrote about and it's one of the MOST tame boats I've ever driven. Â*I was flat shocked when I was told it was the exact same boat that was mentioned in that article..

RD[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Glad to see they fixed the boat. I know which boat it is/was and the owner paid WAY too much to have a boat that was that problematic.

RiverDave

08-21-2002, 12:23 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RUNNIN A FEVER @ Aug. 21 2002, 12:27 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">RiverDave - Hello, I'm David Runnin a Fever. Â*Just a couple of questions for ya, since I don't know ya. Â*Are you in the boating industry? Test driver, evaluator? Â*Just curious after reading your opinions.

You knew it was going to happen-so here's my response on the Fountain thing. Â*Your correct about he 2 foot length difference between Fountain and most others. Â*But your "opinion" of the useless beak leads me to believe you've never owned one. Â*The hull is designed for speed in the rough, and if you check your specs the Formula (excellent boat) is slower. Â*It's just want the individual wants- speed or more cabin room. Â*The "freaking huge" swim step is a very nice assest for me. Â*It keeps us away form the prop/drive while anchored (which is how we spend a great deal of time), it completes the lines of the boat, and is a comfortable place to stay cool and enjoy a cold one.

Not all boats are created equal! Â*Some are lake boats and some are ocean boats. Â*It's not hard to distinguish one from the other. Â*You can take an ocean boat anywhere, a lake boat is made for the lake.

Oh and by the way for those of us who have limited funds, a Donzi may dwarf a Fountain or any other boat in it's class but so does the price tag. Â*If I could afford it I'd buy one.

Just my two cents worth, I just had to get my panties out their twist. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

RD - what kind of boat do you have?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Runnin a Fever, no I'm not in the boat industry. Just been around a few boats throughout the course of my lifetime. I've never owned a fountain you are correct on that. I'm going to point out where your incorrect though and then all of a sudden your going to see the "usefullness" of the useless beak.. LOL.

38' Fountain vs 38 Formula or Cigarette.

Realistically you would have to compare a 43+' Fountain to either one of those boats becuase the other two are truely 38 feet long. The fountain is more like 34' of running surface.

Compare the 38 Fountain to a smaller formula and your going to find that the speeds are pretty much right there..

The "Beak" is far from Useless, it works great into extending the boat length without adding weight or slowing down the boat.. Kinda makes ya wonder how they set all dem records don't it? LOL.. Not trying to take anything away from them because they are very respectable and it doesn't seem like anyone can come close to them, I'm just saying that a smaller boat with the same horsepower is going to go faster and that Beak and huge swim step seem to be extending the length without exactly extending the length. There a great boat don't get me wrong, but ya gotta compare apples to apples.. (Well atleast I do becuase I'M NOT in the boat industry)
and the fact of the matter is when it comes to pricing you should really be (for the bigger ones) comparing other mfg's 38's to a fountain that's more like a 42-44. There 29 would be compared to something more like a 26-27..

I agree with you as far as the ocean vs Lake boat thing..
Wood floors do not belong in the ocean. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I have a 22' Nordic and I have my complaints about this boat as well.
RD

STV_Keith

08-21-2002, 01:49 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RiverDave @ Aug. 21 2002, 1:23 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have a 22' Nordic and I have my complaints about this boat as well. Â*
RD[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
RD, could those problems be not enough room for more squares (subs) and more rounds (gurlie butts)? http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

BADFISH II

08-21-2002, 05:01 PM

HOLY S**T!

This turned out to be a bitchin' thread (I can say bitchin' on here can't I?? oh yeah, I run this thing, I gues I can just once http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

RD, thanks a ton for stopping in and actually taking the time to give me your thought's and opinions. I need to learn more about other manufacturers because I don't have the first hand experience. I did miss the Advantage comments, let me know if I just missed them.

The fact is HD has a great point, we all bought our boats for a reason. I'll be the first one to be honest and say I LOVE my boat, but want a bigger boat that will handle the nasty rough Mead every weekend. I see plenty of flat bottoms out and wonder WTF they are doing and how they stay alive. The water on Mead just gets too rough. I've seen STV Keith bounce out of the air like a racquetball on occasion. It's tough water sometimes. I love it though http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I will upsize someday. Maybe soon http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif And for those of you who see me post everywhere (RRX, Offshoreonly, Scope, Hotboat, etc.) You'll know I'm prying for info from more experienced boaters. I've only been on the water for 4 years now, and I've loved every second of it. I will be on the water for the rest of my life, no doubt here!

I don't really like the looks or functionality of the 25 tempest either. I know it's a great boat, or I assume it is just because of the reputation Essex has, and what I've seen with my 22 Vortex. Is there a V that will get 70 mph plus without breaking the bank on a 575? I don't know.

Now I'm going to screw you up even more RD... V vs. Cat. The only thing I want to know is handling and ease of driveability. Cat's are awesome, and so are V's. But I have the impression that V's are easier to drive and control, like a child could do it (at least with my boat), and that Cat's are finicky. Correct me here please if I'm wrong, this is important knowledge for me. What about HD's question of the stepped hull?? I'd really like to know the answer to that one.

I'm glad to hear Lavey took care of that issue. I was going to cross them off the list until I heard that.

Later all, and HAPPY BOATING!

Greg

BADFISH II

08-21-2002, 05:04 PM

BTW, what do you all (RD and everyone else) think of Eliminator Daytona's (here it comes BBum, I asked for the advice http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif )

Greg

For the record, I LOVE BBum's boat, it's the smoothest and fastest running boat I've ever been on.

RUNNIN A FEVER

08-21-2002, 05:10 PM

I'm the last person that wants to get into a pissing contest about what manufacturer is better than another. I don't consider it a personal attack if someone else thinks differently about the boat/car/shirt that I own, and will be the last person to deny someone their opinion.

I suppose what touched a nerve was the manner in which the opinion was presented (about all the boats). Until this last few pages it has been possible for everyone to express their opinon without comparing or lessening another boat, thats for Greg to decide. I just don't want this site (club) to turn into one of those sites.

RD seems to have been around boats a while and maybe his opinion just comes off like an editorial (to me at least). That's all I have to say on the topic. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

BADFISH II

08-21-2002, 06:09 PM

I gotta be honest and say that I WISH the editorials were that honest. The fact is that each of you guys know your boats inside and out, and for quite a time. The guys that do the reviews at Powerboat, Boating, and Hot Boat get one day on them, and the manufacturers have them so dialed in... they probably even load the cooler with cerveza's for them http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif I don't feel we get all of the honest opinions out of the reviews in the mag, so I turn to you all.

Fact is there is no pissing contest. We're just all sharing info and learning. I need to learn more. Hell, like I said before I can amortize a bond in a heartbeat, but you all know it would take me an hour to change my trailer tire http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

Runnin'... I had no idea that Fountain included the swimstep in the length, although I have no problem with it. I'm sure Essex does too. Waterndog said Lavey does not do that when I saw him this weekend at Mead. It's interesting how each manufacturer sizes their boats up. But, I guess if you add in the beak and the step it does add quite a bit of length and not running surface. So maybe I just need a bigger Fountain http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Seriously, thanks everyone for all of your thoughts and opinions. I hope to be able to share the same with you all someday.

Later

Greg

PS, Don't forget the RiverRacerX Regatta 9/21!

BADFISH II

08-21-2002, 06:13 PM

BTW, talk about pissing contest http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WTF? Why the hell don't you all get over to Hot Boat and show your support for our babes http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Those RRXer's think they have hotter chicks and that I like donkeys http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

The thread is called SMACK! RRX Regatta 9/21 and the link is in that same thread over here on LVHB http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

come on guys... I need some back up http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

RiverDave

08-21-2002, 09:31 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RUNNIN A FEVER @ Aug. 21 2002, 6:10 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm the last person that wants to get into a pissing contest about what manufacturer is better than another. Â*I don't consider it a personal attack if someone else thinks differently about the boat/car/shirt that I own, and will be the last person to deny someone their opinion.

I suppose what touched a nerve was the manner in which the opinion was presented (about all the boats). Â*Until this last few pages it has been possible for everyone to express their opinon without comparing or lessening another boat, thats for Greg to decide. Â*I just don't want this site (club) to turn into one of those sites.

RD seems to have been around boats a while and maybe his opinion just comes off like an editorial (to me at least). Â*That's all I have to say on the topic. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
You are absolutely right, I do come off as a "know it all" in those posts. I would say that it has more to do with the fact that it was late and I was to tired to make it all "P.C." and what not..

I speak my mind pretty loudly and I guess I forgot that I'm the "new guy" on the block over here so i'll try and tone it down a little bit.. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Sorry to come off that way, believe me "I'm the nicest guy I know!" http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

RD

RiverDave

08-21-2002, 09:35 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ Aug. 21 2002, 7:13 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, talk about pissing contest http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WTF? Â*Why the hell don't you all get over to Hot Boat and show your support for our babes http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Â*Those RRXer's think they have hotter chicks and that I like donkeys http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

The thread is called SMACK! RRX Regatta 9/21 and the link is in that same thread over here on LVHB http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

come on guys... I need some back up http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I can't believe I found that post you posted about his bikini collection.. I was cruising around the sites like always do, and all of a sudden it was like the angels were singing from Heaven... LOL As soon as I read it I started laughing my ass off.

BTW, ya oughts to see this new chick I've been hanging out with. If she can make it out that weekend then LVHB is going down for sure.. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

RD

RiverDave

08-21-2002, 09:55 PM

LakeMead, Â*feel free to give me a call and I'll give you my "honest" opinion about anything you or anyone else wants to know.. Â*

As far as Advantage I'm a little afraid to put what I think of there rigging on a public message board for fear that somebody will be looking for me with a high powered rifle.. LOL Â* Â*I do like there platforms quite a bit though. Â* There 26 PartyCat isn't the best looking boat I've ever seen, but my god you just can't beat that or there 28 for a "classy partybardge." Â* They hold alot of people comfortable they have a shitload of room for stereo etc.. Â*and well...

949-678-8369

RD

kevnmcd

08-22-2002, 07:32 AM

OK Greg-I have been following this post since the beginning and I think it is finally time that I post my opinions. Â*Before I start, I just want everyone to know that this is only my opinion and that I don't mean any disrespect to anyone else's builder. Â*With that said, let me begin....

The way I see it, and I believe Riverlife will back me on this one, you can not beat the quality and craftsmanship of the early 80's style boats....particularly the 1982 Schiada's and the 1983 Eliminators!!!! Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Greg, I am just going to throw this out there, I have discussed this with the wife and she agrees, that if you are looking for the ultimate boating machine you need to look no further! Â*Why spend 60, 70 or even 80 grand on a new boat when you can have mine for only 45 grand! Â*WOW, that is a steel! Â*I know that this is a deal that you just can't pass on, but since you have put sooooo much work into this club I feel that I owe you something for that and what better way to show my appreciation than a deal on the "Ultimate Boating Machine" - mine. Â* http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Give me a call and we can work out the details! Â*Just check this thing out.....
http://members.cox.net/kevnmcd/images/boat4.jpg
http://members.cox.net/kevnmcd/images/boat2.jpg
Now, that is one nice rig!

P.S. The trailer for this thing is in great shape as well, even the brakes work on it. Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BADFISH II

08-22-2002, 08:20 AM

thanks for the offer Kevin, but I'm thinking Upsize!

I love my boat, so I'm not in a hurry. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

THOR

08-22-2002, 08:20 AM

KevinMCD,
Is that your house? It looks nice. Not as nice as your boat, but nice. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Everyone else beside RD,
RD is over on the other boards laying the smack down about you guys and your weak stereos. Are you gonna take that crap? I just may have to add a tad more power to the old system. Hmmmmm. Yep, I'll do it. Dont tell the wife though. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

kevnmcd

08-22-2002, 09:06 AM

Greg http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif - Oh I see, you think my boat is not good enough for you, huh? Fine I will just keep it then! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif I think you are making a big mistake, but I respect your decision. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Just messing with ya. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Thor - Those pictures were taken with my back to my house, the ones you see our my neighbors houses. Thanks for the compliments, though. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

RiverDave

08-22-2002, 12:21 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (THOR @ Aug. 22 2002, 09:20 am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KevinMCD,
Is that your house? It looks nice. Not as nice as your boat, but nice. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Everyone else beside RD,
RD is over on the other boards laying the smack down about you guys and your weak stereos. Are you gonna take that crap? I just may have to add Â*a tad more power to the old system. Hmmmmm. Yep, I'll do it. Dont tell the wife though. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Well Thor your in Luck! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I'm not going to be bringing my boat to RRX's regatta so you LVHB boyz might have 1/2 a chance of winning.. actually what am I thinking no ya don't... LOL

#1 in the Nordic regatta baby... Squares RULE!

I will be bringing a 26 PartyCat though with
4 Boston Accoustic Pro series 12's and 8 MBQuart 6x9's with all PPI power.. http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Doesn't hit as hard as mine but it's alot more comfortable..

RD

THOR

08-22-2002, 01:20 PM

What's wrong with the NoDick? Out of commission?
Who's party cat? OC's?

I dig PCs, they are the coolest. One thing I cant figure out is why I dont see more of the Cheetah deck boats. They seem really cool.

LV-Advantage

08-22-2002, 05:47 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RiverDave @ Aug. 21 2002, 10:55 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As far as Advantage I'm a little afraid to put what I think of there rigging on a public message board for fear that somebody will be looking for me with a high powered rifle..
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RD- Don't be scared I don't have a high powered rifle.j/k I'm no boat expert but my boat looks like they did a quality job. what have you heard or seen bad about Advantage? We welcome all opinions. I'm sure all manufacturers turn out some sh^t once in a while.

Rich

Havasu Dreamin

08-22-2002, 06:03 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LV-Advantage @ Aug. 22 2002, 6:47 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Â*I'm sure all manufacturers turn out some sh^t once in a while.

Rich[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No way! Bayliner ROCKS! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Truth be told, you're right.

LV-Advantage

08-22-2002, 06:07 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Havasu Dreamin @ Aug. 22 2002, 7:03 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LV-Advantage @ Aug. 22 2002, 6:47 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Â*I'm sure all manufacturers turn out some sh^t once in a while.

Rich[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
No way! Bayliner ROCKS! Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Truth be told, you're right.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I've been thinking of upgrading to a bayliner the wife really digs them...

Rude

08-22-2002, 06:49 PM

well since we're on a search for knowledge, what can anyone tell me about the ban on "lake lice" at mead? i just heard today that PWCs are not the only ban they are trying to pass. from what i'm told their goal is to ban 2-strokes on mead if they were made prior to a certain year. i'm freakin' out here cause boat is pretty damn old and it has a 2-stroke outboard. i'm alread doing the research to upsize and plan on going with an i/o this time but do i need to make a decision a little sooner than i had expected? ANY info would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!

THOR

08-23-2002, 05:58 AM

Rude,
I hate to say it, but they will soon ban all 2-strokes due to the pollution. But, you could definitely see this coming with the PWC ban and the manufacturing of 4-stroke outboards. All the more reason to buy a kick ass stern drive right?

Do it Rude. Do it now.

VegasBD

08-23-2002, 09:20 AM

Guys-

The ban is temporary until some study is finished. The ban criteria is the following: Â*Two strokes under 16' with a jet propullsion system. So outboards are ok for now but those small seadoo jetboats arent. =\

Several class action lawsuits have allready been filed so after this initial ban is lifted when this study comes out im thinkin this is gonna be tied up in the courts for a while. (they say december for the study to be finished) But yea, eventually two stokes will most likely be gone.

All thanx be to the www.bluewaternetwork.org and the rest of the bored liberal treehumping http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/insane.gif Â*idiots out there. Â*

-bd

Think we need some help from an expert in counterliberalism...

BADFISH II

08-23-2002, 09:30 AM

Vegas BD - Welcome, your first post http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

What kind of boat do you have? Where do you boat? Glad to have you aboard and stick around... it only gets better http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

did you check out the video yet?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All thanx be to the www.bluewaternetwork.org and the rest of the bored liberal treehumping idiots out there.
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We definitely won't do the regatta for that charity next year, next thing ya know they'll be after us, buncha jackasses.

RUNNIN A FEVER

08-23-2002, 11:47 AM

RD - Now that the introductions are over I'll see ya at the next event http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

BTW - I tend to be a bit quick on the defence. I'll work on it.

Later.

duckbutter

08-23-2002, 03:01 PM

PWC ban is only the first step. The damn Treehumpers are trying to stop every water activity. They want to drain Lake Powell. They say they want to restore it's natural beauty. Those big white lines are natural aren't they http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Why would you want to drain a lake. WTFwhat kind of drugs are these people on. Maybe it's because people are having to much fun. Heaven forbid. sorry for the rant. But I hate environmental extremists. @$$holes! http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

BADFISH II

08-23-2002, 05:33 PM

those pansy assed f*ggots will never see the bottom of lake powell unless they get nitrox scuba certified. After 911, I think the treehuggers have taken a back seat to good old common sense and self (American) preservation, water storage being the key to life.

F*** them all!

digginfordollars

08-23-2002, 08:11 PM

You can say all you want on this forum but it isn't going any farther than right here. We all need to write letters or e-mail the appropriate people with our opinions. Politics suck but the tree huggers play the game really well. With 118 members strong, last time I checked, a form letter sent in by each member, one from spouse or significant other, family and friends, would get some attention and let local officials know that locals don't appreciate what some a$$holes in San Francisco want to do to OUR lake.

Rude

08-23-2002, 09:57 PM

D4$ is on the right track. i've been waiting for the bug to spread to other lakes since tahoe banned 2 strokes a couple of years ago. and thor, the search is on for a bigger, better, faster and stronger lake machine but unfortunately it will be a long slow process. it will happen, but most likely it will be later rather than sooner.

Rude

08-23-2002, 10:08 PM

oh yeah, and those "pansy assed f*ggots" as greg so elegantly put it are not doing this just to boaters. they are pulling this $hit with snowmobile's, and atv's. they are trying to ban ALL types of recreational vehicles in all national parks. PERIOD!! we need to hurry up and legalize weed so these people can start thinking about the closest convenience store with the most tweenkies instead of how to outlaw boating, etc.

kevnmcd

08-24-2002, 06:58 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lakemead1 @ Aug. 23 2002, 6:33 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">those pansy assed f*ggots Â*will never see the bottom of lake powell unless they get nitrox scuba certified. Â*After 911, I think the treehuggers have taken a back seat to good old common sense and self (American) preservation, water storage being the key to life.

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Greg-Can you please tell us how you really feel and quit holding back on account of us! Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BADFISH II

08-24-2002, 09:10 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Greg-Can you please tell us how you really feel and quit holding back on account of us!
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Nope, can't tell you how I really feel about those tree humpin' liberal f*g's, because I run this site and don't want to offend TOO many people, just a few http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

RiverLife

08-24-2002, 11:48 PM

Why would they want this off the lake http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[I]

BADFISH II

08-25-2002, 07:25 AM

Hilarious RL, I certainly need to see more of that on the lake http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Back to the topic, I got an itch - I'm sold on Cat's. Going to change my way of thinking after all of that debate. We went out in BBum's ride yesterday and even the Ms. drove it, and was sold too. It's the smoothest handling boat I've ever been on, and it lands good too http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

BBum, if you still got it when we're ready we'll talk seriously, but I'm sold on the Elim Daytona, either that or a DCB. I may even look into the Howard, But I'm buyin' a CAT!

What we couldn't believe is how good it turns at a fairly good clip too, It's flat, almost like driving a car. In fact, that is what it's like. And when you're just easily cruising at 55, it feels like my SUV driving down a gravel road, the wakes are just tiny little bumps.

What's funny is the Ms. She was deadset against getting a Cat, and now she wants one too http://www.lasvegashotboats.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif